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Poster: micah6v8 Date: Jun 1, 2010 6:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy Journalism (non Dead)

This is the extreme edge of drilling tech. from what I have been able to glean . I am not an engineer nor in the oil biz . so it's just 'book ' knowledge.
The arguement stands . To Easy to just cast stones . What kind of ' house ' would you build to replace oil with , to meet our growing energy needs ?

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Poster: spacedface Date: Jun 3, 2010 2:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy Journalism (non Dead)

"What kind of ' house ' would you build to replace oil with , to meet our growing energy needs ? "

To make the analogy work you'd have to consider how long it took to build the house of oil -- then give solar, renewables, efficiency, and new tech as much "incentives" and tax breaks as oil, gas, and coal.

You'd be shocked to find out how much has been given to oil, gas, and coal -- and that's apart from the cost of pollution because that cost is barely reflected in the price of oil.

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Poster: ledlightingwholesale Date: Jun 15, 2012 12:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy Journalism (non Dead)

Actually I wouldn't be shocked. We spend enormous amounts of money on the least eco-friendly and energy inefficient solutions I have ever seen. If we focused more attention on energy saving sustainable products like Wind Power, Solar Power and LED Lighting the planet would be in much better shape.
http://www.ledlightingwholesale.com

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 1, 2010 8:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy Journalism (non Dead)

I'll cast stones - from what I have heard from people in the oil biz up here is in their opinion the preventer was installed backwards on purpose to get it to fit ie they new it was defective and wouldn't fit the correct way. Now this is just a perzsons opinion but what isn't opinion is if they had been actually checking it ( not pencil whipping it ) then they would have seen it was bad.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jun 1, 2010 11:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy Journalism (non Dead)

But why poop in your own house ? Yeah , I know , general human stupidity . But here are some consequences already . Penny wise for billions foolish perhaps ?
From WSJ today( one of the last remaining papers doing their job , PG )
BP stock price down 12 % today , knocking off 17 billion of BP 's market value . Today's estimate is that BP 's liability is 990 million for the oil leak in the Gulf . That number will change , only going much higher . Insuring BP's debt has also become much harder for them , as banks jack their rates and credit is much harder to obtain . London is very concerned over this , as many large funds are heavily invested in BP . The Gulf supplies 14 % of BP's worldwide production , and renewal of their future licensing contracts is highly in doubt . And this is the beginning of the beginning .

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Poster: headgdhead Date: Jun 2, 2010 12:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy Journalism (non Dead)

BP has lost $70 billion in equity since this thing started. The conspiracy theorists are so far out in left field on this one it's just ridiculous. There is no upside for the oil company taking short cuts or cheaping out on these ventures.

I don't ever agree with Obama but he was right and is right about the safety of these rigs. The record proves it. There are over 5000 wells in the Gulf, 500 of them are deep sea wells, and only one of them is leaking. That's a pretty damn good record!

No one goes through life perfect. The priority here is plugging the leak and cleaning up this mess. The time for investigations and prosecutions will come. Please remember that tens of thousands of people are dependant on these companies for their existence. Tearing them apart through ridiculous accusations and endless speculation directly affects people’s lives.

"Think this through with me, let me know your mind
Wo-oh, what I want to know is, are you kind?"

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Poster: headgdhead Date: Jun 2, 2010 12:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy Journalism (non Dead)

BP has lost $70 billion in equity since this thing started. The conspiracy theorists are so far out in left field on this one it's just ridiculous. There is no upside for the oil company taking short cuts or cheaping out on these ventures.

I don't ever agree with Obama but he was right and is right about the safety of these rigs. The record proves it. There are over 5000 wells in the Gulf, 500 of them are deep sea wells, and only one of them is leaking. That's a pretty damn good record!

No one goes through life perfect. The priority here is plugging the leak and cleaning up this mess. The time for investigations and prosecutions will come. Please remember that tens of thousands of people are dependant on these companies for their existence. Tearing them apart through ridiculous accusations and endless speculation directly affects people’s lives.

"Think this through with me, let me know your mind
Wo-oh, what I want to know is, are you kind?"

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jun 1, 2010 9:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy Journalism (non Dead)

I'll cast my stone right with ya Jots - the oil industry and the government are so entrenched under the same sheets, you cannot tell one from the other anymore.

Our government is an absolute disgrace and an embarrassment - no matter who the great people of this country vote into office, the result always seems to come out the same. the populace and our environment get screwed every time!

Mando is most assuredly on the right track....

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 1, 2010 9:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy Journalism (non Dead)

yeah well don't throw the baby out with the bathwater I say. Example - FDA, they don't always do such a swell job with Food and drugs but what's the alternative? Self or market policing as the Libertarians like to fantasize about? YEAH RIGHT! And I know from first hand experience that the FDA is VERY good at regulating blood products which are extremely safe now as a result. IMO we need to see what is working regulatory wise and model after that. We need to remember that Government isn't a sperate private entity, us lazy citizens need to get more invol;ved, more than just by voting.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jun 1, 2010 9:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy Journalism (non Dead)

the baby most likely wont get thrown out with the bathwater, but the baby is certainly starting to drown. i agree the FDA is basically pretty good at getting things right (if a bit too slow at times), as is the EPA (not perfect, but...) yes, i was being a bit hyperbolic in my post about the government being basically useless - they are just too easy to buy. lobbyists and lying have run amok - it is going to be VERY difficult "fixing" that - there has never been a government in world history (as far as i know) that money and greed has not basically "run the show."

i dont know what the alternative is either. but the path down which this country is headed WILL force change upon us at some point - and it is probably going to be a very difficult chnge in the beginning. it may be after our lifetime, but probably within the lives of our children.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jun 1, 2010 10:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy Journalism (non Dead)

" i dont know what the alternative is either"

imo the alternative is for people to wake the f up and stop defending this corporate takeover of the government. People need to stop believing the bullshit. PRIME example, people love to wave their plastic made in China American flags but can't seem to make the connection between war and $$$$$. Anyone who thinks corporations are totally out of control with what they get away with is automatically branded a " socialist", people actually think the media is " liberal" and yet the only real news is buried down on public broadcasting that MOST people don't watch.

The bottom line is people are very easily preyed upon with emotion to direct their anger at the wrong sources and to defend entities that will sell their ass out in a second. Look how crazy the evangelicals can get - they vote soley on these BS moral causes but the people they vote for KNOW that they have no intention of banning abortion etc but these fools keep voting against their own interests just because of the lip servce given to their pet cause.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Jun 1, 2010 11:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy Journalism (non Dead)

I could not agree with you any more wholeheartedly!!!

sad to think it will take an economic catastrophe far worse than last/this year's to truly even attempt to do anything (or so it seems to me, from what i have seen so far)

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Jun 1, 2010 4:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy Journalism (non Dead)

Does our growing energy demand outweigh the need for healthy food and water?

These needs do not have to be mutually exclusive. It is possible to make a transition to clean energy sources, but this will come at some cost because our current way of life is built upon and around the use of dirty cheap energy sources. It will take a significant and costly restructuring to move away from this.

The costs of this transition will be used by energy companies and the people they pay as well as the people who naive enough to believe them to dissuade us from and work to slow this inevitable process. The corporations in the energy industry are scared of any change in the status quo which will reduce the demand for what they are profiting from.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jun 1, 2010 6:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy Journalism (non Dead)

I don't disagree but I think that is a different argument than the one that is being discussed here. I don't think the question is why do we need to drill a mile down in the gulf, the question was more about how it is being reported on.

For example on April 2nd after signing the energy bill that allowed more off-shore drilling, President Obama made the following statement regarding the safety of wells. ""It turns out, by the way, that oil rigs today generally don’t cause spills. They are technologically very advanced."

The question is whether it is appropriate to call such a statement Obama's "the fundamentals of the economy are sound" moment. I agree with Purple Gel that it is lazy to make these comparisons and frankly they don't solve anything.

As for your question I think the other part is how much oversight do these companies that profit from our inability to curb our energy addition have? Not just oil. Don't forget those coal miners who died several weeks back in what appeared to be a very unsafe work environment.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jun 1, 2010 1:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy Journalism (non Dead) / Coal Miners

Oh , come all you young fellows , so young and so fine
Seek not your fortune in a dark , dreary mine
It'll form as a habit , and seep in your soul
Till the stream of your blood runs as black as the coal
Merle Travis

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Poster: ducats Date: Jun 1, 2010 2:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy Journalism (non Dead) / Coal Miners

milk blood to keep from running out

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jun 1, 2010 12:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Lazy Journalism (non Dead) / Coal Miners

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nhc55qjHHXs (for the miners)

And why he was on No Nukes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b54rB64fXY4&;NR=1

BTW, Clive's first signee to Arista.

This post was modified by bluedevil on 2010-06-01 19:03:30